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	<title>Comments on: Overnight Ciabatta</title>
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	<description>Notes from my kitchen, in which I bake bread and raise a few other matters</description>
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		<title>By: Mary Helfenberger</title>
		<link>http://www.wildyeastblog.com/2007/08/27/overnight-ciabatta/comment-page-2/#comment-13148</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Helfenberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful explanation and instructions which I will apply to my handmixed method....but 2 cm really?  I end up with easily twice that with my 72% hydration all bread flour handmixed dough.  

Love the site.  

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful explanation and instructions which I will apply to my handmixed method&#8230;.but 2 cm really?  I end up with easily twice that with my 72% hydration all bread flour handmixed dough.  </p>
<p>Love the site.  </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
		<link>http://www.wildyeastblog.com/2007/08/27/overnight-ciabatta/comment-page-2/#comment-12037</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan---you mentioned that you have a SP5 spiral mixer.  I just purchased one, after my KA died!  I have only used it once using my ciabatta recipe......it never developed into a dough, so I ended up scooping it out with a measuring cup---what a mess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Could you please share with me your knowledge of using this machine and cleaning it afterward.........
Thanks so much---Grace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan&#8212;you mentioned that you have a SP5 spiral mixer.  I just purchased one, after my KA died!  I have only used it once using my ciabatta recipe&#8230;&#8230;it never developed into a dough, so I ended up scooping it out with a measuring cup&#8212;what a mess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Could you please share with me your knowledge of using this machine and cleaning it afterward&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
Thanks so much&#8212;Grace</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.wildyeastblog.com/2007/08/27/overnight-ciabatta/comment-page-2/#comment-11206</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juan Fernando, in general that&#039;s true, you don&#039;t want the gluten to be completely developed if you want an open, irregular texture. The large hole structure on ciabatta comes from the high amount of water in the dough. The water weakens the dough, even when the gluten is fairly well developed, so, as you describe, smaller &quot;cells&quot; break apart to form larger ones. Also, during baking the water creates a large amount of steam, which expands the cells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juan Fernando, in general that&#8217;s true, you don&#8217;t want the gluten to be completely developed if you want an open, irregular texture. The large hole structure on ciabatta comes from the high amount of water in the dough. The water weakens the dough, even when the gluten is fairly well developed, so, as you describe, smaller &#8220;cells&#8221; break apart to form larger ones. Also, during baking the water creates a large amount of steam, which expands the cells.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Fernando</title>
		<link>http://www.wildyeastblog.com/2007/08/27/overnight-ciabatta/comment-page-2/#comment-10805</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan Fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Susan:

I was reading a book called &quot;How baking works&quot;, where the author explains that in order to have large holes one should try not to develop the gluten too much, since the idea is that small holes break apart and join together to form large holes. When gluten is well developed, then small holes never break up. What do you think about this? I´ve tried many times to make real ciabatta, but have never been able to achive success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Susan:</p>
<p>I was reading a book called &#8220;How baking works&#8221;, where the author explains that in order to have large holes one should try not to develop the gluten too much, since the idea is that small holes break apart and join together to form large holes. When gluten is well developed, then small holes never break up. What do you think about this? I´ve tried many times to make real ciabatta, but have never been able to achive success.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea Reina</title>
		<link>http://www.wildyeastblog.com/2007/08/27/overnight-ciabatta/comment-page-2/#comment-10155</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea Reina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pietro,

It is much easier to flip the bread onto another surface without degassing it than to pick it up from the bottom; this is why the bread is flipped, to maintain the fermentation gas. I don&#039;t have a peel or a couche, so I proof on my (clean!) counter, then use a metal dough scraper to pick up the one side and place it on one hand, pick up the other side with the blade, and carry it to the stone (the thin metal means that it slides under the dough easily).

Susan, lovely bread. Have you tried to use the slap and fold method to develop the gluten on this bread? I find it works great on high-hydration doughs. The reason I ask is that I&#039;ve found from experience that additional water incorporates into a dough quite reluctantly, the result being the &quot;lumpy gravy&quot; that Stephen describes. I suppose it is not too much of an issue when you have a mixer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pietro,</p>
<p>It is much easier to flip the bread onto another surface without degassing it than to pick it up from the bottom; this is why the bread is flipped, to maintain the fermentation gas. I don&#8217;t have a peel or a couche, so I proof on my (clean!) counter, then use a metal dough scraper to pick up the one side and place it on one hand, pick up the other side with the blade, and carry it to the stone (the thin metal means that it slides under the dough easily).</p>
<p>Susan, lovely bread. Have you tried to use the slap and fold method to develop the gluten on this bread? I find it works great on high-hydration doughs. The reason I ask is that I&#8217;ve found from experience that additional water incorporates into a dough quite reluctantly, the result being the &#8220;lumpy gravy&#8221; that Stephen describes. I suppose it is not too much of an issue when you have a mixer.</p>
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		<title>By: Chapata Vs. Ciabatta &#171; Madrid Tiene Miga</title>
		<link>http://www.wildyeastblog.com/2007/08/27/overnight-ciabatta/comment-page-2/#comment-9795</link>
		<dc:creator>Chapata Vs. Ciabatta &#171; Madrid Tiene Miga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] debidas, sobre todo, a mi incredulidad sobre los porcentajes de agua a añadir, un buen día leí la fantástica explicación de Susan sobre la manera de manejar esta masa. Os resumo lo que creo esencial: 1º Máquina. No digo que no [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] debidas, sobre todo, a mi incredulidad sobre los porcentajes de agua a añadir, un buen día leí la fantástica explicación de Susan sobre la manera de manejar esta masa. Os resumo lo que creo esencial: 1º Máquina. No digo que no [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.wildyeastblog.com/2007/08/27/overnight-ciabatta/comment-page-1/#comment-9471</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my goodness, I finished up these loaves this evening and they were a thing of beauty.  I had to improvise a couche and should have used my seasoned rolling towel or used twice as much flour on the new one because they stuck a bit when I flipped them.  Fortunately it didn&#039;t seem to harm the air pockets.  The bread came out super light and full of beautiful gigantic holes.  It was light, tender, shiny and chewy inside with a thin crispy chewy crust.  Thanks so much for providing this technique Susan!  I do believe this is the best bread I have ever produced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my goodness, I finished up these loaves this evening and they were a thing of beauty.  I had to improvise a couche and should have used my seasoned rolling towel or used twice as much flour on the new one because they stuck a bit when I flipped them.  Fortunately it didn&#8217;t seem to harm the air pockets.  The bread came out super light and full of beautiful gigantic holes.  It was light, tender, shiny and chewy inside with a thin crispy chewy crust.  Thanks so much for providing this technique Susan!  I do believe this is the best bread I have ever produced.</p>
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		<title>By: Pietro</title>
		<link>http://www.wildyeastblog.com/2007/08/27/overnight-ciabatta/comment-page-1/#comment-9084</link>
		<dc:creator>Pietro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 07:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Susan, 

I&#039;ve been looking at several different &quot;ciabatta&quot; recipes, and watching videos. Why does this bread always involve a flip into it&#039;s final position for baking... I mean, what&#039;s wrong with shaping it and keeping it the same side up? Maybe I&#039;m missing something...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Susan, </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been looking at several different &#8220;ciabatta&#8221; recipes, and watching videos. Why does this bread always involve a flip into it&#8217;s final position for baking&#8230; I mean, what&#8217;s wrong with shaping it and keeping it the same side up? Maybe I&#8217;m missing something&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chapata Vs. Ciabatta &#124; Cocinar</title>
		<link>http://www.wildyeastblog.com/2007/08/27/overnight-ciabatta/comment-page-1/#comment-8729</link>
		<dc:creator>Chapata Vs. Ciabatta &#124; Cocinar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 19:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] debidas, sobre todo, a mi incredulidad sobre los porcentajes de agua a añadir, un buen día leí la fantástica explicación de Susan sobre la manera de manejar esta masa. Os resumo lo que creo esencial: 1º Máquina. No digo que no [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Normbake</title>
		<link>http://www.wildyeastblog.com/2007/08/27/overnight-ciabatta/comment-page-1/#comment-7776</link>
		<dc:creator>Normbake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great site Susan lots of good info like the video on geting the baguettes on to the tray.
Will have a go at this bread using my starter no yeast.
Best wishes 
regards Normbake 
Queensland 
Australia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great site Susan lots of good info like the video on geting the baguettes on to the tray.<br />
Will have a go at this bread using my starter no yeast.<br />
Best wishes<br />
regards Normbake<br />
Queensland<br />
Australia</p>
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