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	<description>Notes from my kitchen, in which I bake bread and raise a few other matters</description>
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		<title>By: Kenzie</title>
		<link>http://www.wildyeastblog.com/2010/03/05/use-it-or-lose-it/comment-page-1/#comment-15195</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 02:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This blog has a lot of great information for the yeast.. I have just started cooking with it a lot and though I&#039;m not too familiar, I&#039;ve gotten a lot of good tips from it. Thanks so much!
-Kenzie
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This blog has a lot of great information for the yeast.. I have just started cooking with it a lot and though I&#8217;m not too familiar, I&#8217;ve gotten a lot of good tips from it. Thanks so much!<br />
-Kenzie<br />
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, everyone, for your well-considered comments, which point up the fact that there can be many paths to a good result. 

For myself, I have found that my starter makes its very best bread when it is fed twice a day and not refrigerated (although I do refrigerate it if I won&#039;t be using it for a long period of time). Discarding (and by discarding I mean feeding the compost pile or throwing it into something else I&#039;m baking) 50 grams of starter per feeding -- which amounts to 50 grams each of flour and water per day -- is not something I lose sleep over.

A starter that makes great bread straight out of the fridge or under a feeding schedule that does not require any discarding -- that doesn&#039;t describe mine, but what a blessing! Use it and love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, everyone, for your well-considered comments, which point up the fact that there can be many paths to a good result. </p>
<p>For myself, I have found that my starter makes its very best bread when it is fed twice a day and not refrigerated (although I do refrigerate it if I won&#8217;t be using it for a long period of time). Discarding (and by discarding I mean feeding the compost pile or throwing it into something else I&#8217;m baking) 50 grams of starter per feeding &#8212; which amounts to 50 grams each of flour and water per day &#8212; is not something I lose sleep over.</p>
<p>A starter that makes great bread straight out of the fridge or under a feeding schedule that does not require any discarding &#8212; that doesn&#8217;t describe mine, but what a blessing! Use it and love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the few times I have to disagree with Susan. 

I keep about 50 gm of 100% hydration starter in the &#039;frig and bake with it about once a week. Depending on recipe, for two loaves, I feed my starter just enough flour and water to end up with the amount I need for baking + 50 grams + maybe 10 grams extra. This usually means refreshing my 50 grams at a 1:1.5:1.5 ratio or sometimes at 1:2:2 but certainly not the 1:3:3 feeding ratio you recommend.

With this feeding schedule and feeding ratio, my starter doubles reliably in about 8-10 hrs. I usually remove 50 grams of starter about half-way through the rising period (before all the food has been exhausted?). Perhaps this helps keep my starter vigorous despite my more lackadaisical and parsimonious approach.

I seldom need to discard excess starter (ok, maybe sometimes a tablespoon or so if I&#039;ve miscalculated) and my bread rises reliably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the few times I have to disagree with Susan. </p>
<p>I keep about 50 gm of 100% hydration starter in the &#8216;frig and bake with it about once a week. Depending on recipe, for two loaves, I feed my starter just enough flour and water to end up with the amount I need for baking + 50 grams + maybe 10 grams extra. This usually means refreshing my 50 grams at a 1:1.5:1.5 ratio or sometimes at 1:2:2 but certainly not the 1:3:3 feeding ratio you recommend.</p>
<p>With this feeding schedule and feeding ratio, my starter doubles reliably in about 8-10 hrs. I usually remove 50 grams of starter about half-way through the rising period (before all the food has been exhausted?). Perhaps this helps keep my starter vigorous despite my more lackadaisical and parsimonious approach.</p>
<p>I seldom need to discard excess starter (ok, maybe sometimes a tablespoon or so if I&#8217;ve miscalculated) and my bread rises reliably.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabrielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabrielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, when I wrote &quot;I cannot shape paste&quot;, it&#039;s really more like shaping bubbly cottage cheese!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, when I wrote &#8220;I cannot shape paste&#8221;, it&#8217;s really more like shaping bubbly cottage cheese!</p>
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		<title>By: Gabrielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabrielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have The Starter That Ate Manhatten. No matter what amount of flour I bake with, the result is a large runny sponge that appears to be another starter. The crumb and taste transport me back to San Francisco, but I cannot shape paste! (I have purchased a scale, but can&#039;t receive it before thaw.) Should I throw it out and start over? Pls. no video recommendations as my connection is by phone-link. Thanks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have The Starter That Ate Manhatten. No matter what amount of flour I bake with, the result is a large runny sponge that appears to be another starter. The crumb and taste transport me back to San Francisco, but I cannot shape paste! (I have purchased a scale, but can&#8217;t receive it before thaw.) Should I throw it out and start over? Pls. no video recommendations as my connection is by phone-link. Thanks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Elle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had a general idea about what was happening and why the feeding, but this makes it very clear. What a party!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had a general idea about what was happening and why the feeding, but this makes it very clear. What a party!</p>
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		<title>By: mlaiuppa</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlaiuppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those that would enjoy a lovely children&#039;s picture book related to this mathematical problem, I suggest &quot;One Grain of Rice&quot; in which a grain of rice is doubled every day. Before the end of the month, there isn&#039;t enough rice in the entire kingdom to balance the rice needed. (It&#039;s part of a promised payment. Fun story.)

I don&#039;t particularly like &quot;sour&quot; dough bread. Is there a way to use a starter that isn&#039;t sour? Or is sourdough starter different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those that would enjoy a lovely children&#8217;s picture book related to this mathematical problem, I suggest &#8220;One Grain of Rice&#8221; in which a grain of rice is doubled every day. Before the end of the month, there isn&#8217;t enough rice in the entire kingdom to balance the rice needed. (It&#8217;s part of a promised payment. Fun story.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t particularly like &#8220;sour&#8221; dough bread. Is there a way to use a starter that isn&#8217;t sour? Or is sourdough starter different?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Jeremy.  With two hungry kids in the house the &quot;extra&quot; starter goes into pancakes on a regular basis.  My favorite is the 100% rye starter mixed with egg, milk, pinch of salt, bit of agave and rice flour.  Makes really good pancakes.  Just remember to use enough rice flour to balance the flavor.  The other day my 3 yo turned her nose up &quot;papa, these pancakes are too rye&quot;.  Point taken, they were pretty dominated by the rye.  Kind of like Volkenbrot pancakes....I liked them.

Thanks for the post.  Love your blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Jeremy.  With two hungry kids in the house the &#8220;extra&#8221; starter goes into pancakes on a regular basis.  My favorite is the 100% rye starter mixed with egg, milk, pinch of salt, bit of agave and rice flour.  Makes really good pancakes.  Just remember to use enough rice flour to balance the flavor.  The other day my 3 yo turned her nose up &#8220;papa, these pancakes are too rye&#8221;.  Point taken, they were pretty dominated by the rye.  Kind of like Volkenbrot pancakes&#8230;.I liked them.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post.  Love your blog!</p>
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		<title>By: slow rising</title>
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		<dc:creator>slow rising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 22:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi, i&#039;ve never agreed with throwing out something as magic as a starter. i&#039;ve been making sourdough bread for over ten years and only ever add as much extra flour and water (in one go) as the recipe i want to follow requires. i only take the starter out the previous day to feed it for baking the following day, take off some to put back into fridge for the next baking...and that&#039;s it. no complicated feeding schedule or throwing out.... works absolutely fine every time and the starter is really potent. wouldn&#039;t ever contiplate feeding loads extra and then throwing out loads..... no need for it in my experience!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi, i&#8217;ve never agreed with throwing out something as magic as a starter. i&#8217;ve been making sourdough bread for over ten years and only ever add as much extra flour and water (in one go) as the recipe i want to follow requires. i only take the starter out the previous day to feed it for baking the following day, take off some to put back into fridge for the next baking&#8230;and that&#8217;s it. no complicated feeding schedule or throwing out&#8230;. works absolutely fine every time and the starter is really potent. wouldn&#8217;t ever contiplate feeding loads extra and then throwing out loads&#8230;.. no need for it in my experience!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: JACK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JACK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the question is - what are the abusers missing? I have always been very happy with my product. I am reluctant to compare my bread to some supposedly sourdough breads I have had at restaurants because I think chemicals were added to give distinctive taste. They were not sour, but did have a distinctive taste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the question is &#8211; what are the abusers missing? I have always been very happy with my product. I am reluctant to compare my bread to some supposedly sourdough breads I have had at restaurants because I think chemicals were added to give distinctive taste. They were not sour, but did have a distinctive taste.</p>
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