What was your latest baking experiment gone right? Here’s mine:
2 pm: I remembered to take the pork out of the freezer yesterday. I remembered to start slow-cooking it early this morning. I’m starting the sandwich rolls so they’ll be fresh out of the oven when the pork is done… Doh! I’ve forgotten to make the prefermented dough.
There’s no time to make a preferment now. I have my sourdough starter, but only about 60 grams of it, not enough to make true sourdough rolls. OK, it’s not a mega-disaster in the scheme of things. With what will (hopefully) be a super-flavorful pulled pork on top of them, a straight-dough roll will be just fine. Sure to top store-bought, anyway.
But I’m feeling experimental. I’ve been saving the toss-off from a few days’ worth of sourdough feedings. I have a couple hundred grams of it in the refrigerator, waiting to be used in pancakes, or maybe destined for the compost bin. Those wild yeast have been languishing, close to death, and will not be very effective as little fermenting machines in my dough. But maybe I can use that old starter to bring some flavor and acidity to my rolls, which is what preferments do best. It’s worth a try.
7 pm: Dinner. The pulled pork is lovely, and the sour rolls provide a very nice counterpoint to its sweetness. I’m calling my experiment a success.
To be ultra-clear, I’m not advocating substituting a bunch of old tired sourdough for whatever preferment any recipe calls for. Nor am I suggesting that even freshly-made preferments are generally interchangeable; using a different type of preferment can affect lots of things, including flavor, dough strength and fermentation time. If you make a substitution, you will get a different bread, maybe subtly different, maybe markedly so. In the case of my rolls, their flavor was much more sour and their texture less soft than the original recipe from which they were born.
So I do this sort of thing with the “Try It and See Mode” button firmly in the “On” position. That said, there was a method to my madness. I approached the investigation with two principles in mind: 1) keep the amount of prefermented flour in the experimental formula the same as in the original; and 2) keep the amount of each of the ingredients in the overall formula the same also. It sounds complicated, but it’s not – really!
To begin, l looked at the original formula (it’s exactly the same as the hamburger rolls I posted about last month, only scaled down to make 6 rolls instead of 10):
- 103 g flour
- 67 g water
- 0.6 g instant yeast
- 2 g salt
- 98 g flour
- 148 g whole wheat flour
- 66 g water
- 2.5 g instant yeast
- 4.9 g salt
- 60 g egg
- 25 g vegetable oil
- 12 g sugar
- 17 g brown rice syrup
- all of the prefermented dough (173 g)
In this formula, the amount of prefermented flour (i.e., the amount of flour contributed by the prefermented dough) is 103 grams. My old tired sourdough (“OTiS,” and I’m calling it this because I want to keep it clear that this is NOT good mature active sourdough) was 100% hydration, i.e., equal parts flour and water. So I would need 206 grams of OTiS to get 103 grams of prefermented flour. That’s how I decided how much OTiS to use.
But I also had to keep in mind that 206 grams of OTiS would contribute 103 grams of water, whereas the prefermented dough would have only contributed 67 grams. So I subtracted that extra 36 grams from the amount of water in the final dough. Similarly, the 2 grams of salt that would have been in the prefermented dough (but were not in OTiS) needed to be added to amount of salt in the final dough. As for the yeast, I decided to call it a draw and see how that worked out.
So the modified formula became (with changes from the original in bold):
Actually, I was able to use the 60 grams of active starter I had on hand, plus 146 grams of OTiS, to get the 206 grams. And I ended up further modifying the formula a bit, to use only 50 grams, or one whole, egg; I added a little more water to compensate, rather than having to open a whole second egg just for that extra 10 grams. I followed the method, including first fermentation and proofing times, for the original rolls.
If I had had 206 grams of fresh, active sourdough starter on hand, I could have used that, and omitted some or all of the instant yeast from the final dough. However, I would have anticipated needing to increase the fermentation times, especially if the sourdough had been the sole leavener.
So, what was your latest bread-baking experiment?
im planning to cook chicken tonight, but then i saw this photo..oh my goodness i need to have some pork sandwiches 🙂 yummy
Interesting experiment! I’ve never done that with tired starter, but I do it often with fairly fresh out of the fridge or very fresh starter. I’ve seen debates between people about using yeast in sourdough bread, but to me it is like you said, just a preferment replacement, using the starter to give flavor and then boosting the rise with yeast. OK, it isn’t sourdough, but it makes a better bread than a straight dough with yeast. No point in being “purist”, there is always room for different ideas and techniques.
Susan I can’t tell you how many times I have used OTIS! Some with success, and well others not!
;0) I am so thrilled that you do this Susan. You are much more careful in your experiments than I with your measurements. I tend to just sort of eyeball them in my head (if you can do that).
I just did this with bread I baked yesterday and will try to get it up today (which will be pushing it).
The buns and the pork look fantastic.
Good to hear this experimenting story from you. That’s the fun of it! My boyfriend always gripes that bread baking takes too much thinking ahead and planning. And it does take a lot, sometimes. But, you can often get wonderful results by improvising. Anyways, it’ll be better than anything you’ll buy.
And, by the way, that pull pork sandwich is making my mouth water (and I’m a vegetarian!)
Just wonderful. I dig your planning skills so much. I bet you’ve got one interesting notebook.
Your pulled pork has reminded me of pulled pork, which is now going on my list as one of the six dinners I’ll be making my boyfriend as a birthday gift. Thank you. And I’m sure he’ll thank you too.
As far as experimenting, I don’t have any planned as of now, but for me experimentation generally comes on as a result of needing but lacking, sort of like yours here. I am trying something new tomorrow, though. I’ve been making ricotta lately, so I’m going to give Leader’s ricotta bread a go. *glee*
I would definitely call your experiment a success! But then everything you touch that is bread or yeast related is a wonderful success!
Madam Chow says
You have been a busy blogger -hooray! I really appreciate your accurate measurements, as I am rather deficient in that area. I tend to toss things in and eyeball it. I have been wanting to use OTiS but have not been sure how to proceed. Thanks for the experiment!
Your sandwich is mouth watering! I have yet to make my own hamburger rolls yet, but mark my words, I will do it sometime! 🙂
maybelles mom (feeding maybelle) says
I am glad to read this. I was just thinking about doing some experimental baking, and it seems like the positive support I needed. I think your pulled pork and your son’s potato salad is delish.